Tue 28 Jul 2026 05.15 AEST
The White House/Flickr
Faced with an entirely new type of president, the Australian government insists on playing an old game by the old rules.
Dr Emma Shortis reflects on Trump’s “joke” about a third term in office at the White House Correspondents’ Dinner, before If You’re Listening host Matt Bevan returns to the show to discuss the midterms and Trump’s finances.
This episode was recorded Friday 24 July.
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Guest: Matt Bevan, journalist and host of If You’re Listening, Australian Broadcasting Corporation // @mattbevan
Host: Emma Shortis, Director, International & Security Affairs, the Australia Institute // @emmashortis
Show notes:
Where EXACTLY is Trump’s money coming from?, If You’re Listening, ABC News (July 2026)
If You’re Listening: Declassified by Matt Bevan, HarperCollins (May 2026)
After America: Australia and the new world order by Emma Shortis, Australia Institute Press (May 2025)
Photo: The White House/Flickr (U.S. Government work)
Theme music: Blue Dot Sessions
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